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	<title>Comments on: Breaking: Apple Drops the Hammer on Unlockers</title>
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		<title>By: Breaking: Apple Rolls Out Firmware Update 1.1.1, And I Can&#8217;t Have it!!! : The iPhone Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2007/09/24/breaking-apple-drops-the-hammer-on-unlockers/comment-page-1/#comment-2466</link>
		<dc:creator>Breaking: Apple Rolls Out Firmware Update 1.1.1, And I Can&#8217;t Have it!!! : The iPhone Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] some new firmware update, just released. But can I install this update? No. And why? Because his Jobsness has seen fit to brick my iPhone should I install said update. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] some new firmware update, just released. But can I install this update? No. And why? Because his Jobsness has seen fit to brick my iPhone should I install said update. [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Meh_Whatever</title>
		<link>http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2007/09/24/breaking-apple-drops-the-hammer-on-unlockers/comment-page-1/#comment-2370</link>
		<dc:creator>Meh_Whatever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Agree with the majority here. Anytime you go monkeying around with the works for ANY sort of appliance/electronic device, the warranty goes out the window.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with the majority here. Anytime you go monkeying around with the works for ANY sort of appliance/electronic device, the warranty goes out the window.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Fluke</title>
		<link>http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2007/09/24/breaking-apple-drops-the-hammer-on-unlockers/comment-page-1/#comment-2356</link>
		<dc:creator>Fluke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;fabio - If it were me, I would definitely wait until the update is released this week, and then wait and see what comes of it. We may find that some of the unlocking hacks work fine, while others break the iPhone.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fabio &#8211; If it were me, I would definitely wait until the update is released this week, and then wait and see what comes of it. We may find that some of the unlocking hacks work fine, while others break the iPhone.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: fabio</title>
		<link>http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2007/09/24/breaking-apple-drops-the-hammer-on-unlockers/comment-page-1/#comment-2351</link>
		<dc:creator>fabio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I bought an iphone last week, and it should be arriving any day now. I live in Brazil, so I won&#039;t be able to use it unless I unlock it.
In light of this announcement, what should I do: just unlock it away, or wait to see if the iphone dev team will be able to unlock it again..?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bought an iphone last week, and it should be arriving any day now. I live in Brazil, so I won&#8217;t be able to use it unless I unlock it.
In light of this announcement, what should I do: just unlock it away, or wait to see if the iphone dev team will be able to unlock it again..?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Micah</title>
		<link>http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2007/09/24/breaking-apple-drops-the-hammer-on-unlockers/comment-page-1/#comment-2347</link>
		<dc:creator>Micah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I really agree with Fluke&#039;s comments here... what is all the posturing and huffing about?  Apple and ATT are watching each other&#039;s interests, period.  And how can ANYONE think that they could hack their iphone and NOT have Apple say &quot;If you hack your iphone our updates might brick it, sorry that&#039;s YOUR problem not ours...&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really agree with Fluke&#8217;s comments here&#8230; what is all the posturing and huffing about?  Apple and ATT are watching each other&#8217;s interests, period.  And how can ANYONE think that they could hack their iphone and NOT have Apple say &#8220;If you hack your iphone our updates might brick it, sorry that&#8217;s YOUR problem not ours&#8230;&#8221;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Matthew Miller (aka palmsolo)</title>
		<link>http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2007/09/24/breaking-apple-drops-the-hammer-on-unlockers/comment-page-1/#comment-2340</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Miller (aka palmsolo)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We all knew this was coming when we hacked our iPhones and I personally knew the risks going into it. With 4 phones locked into T-Mobile I was willing to take the risk of voiding my warranty to save myself $50/month to drop AT&amp;T. I also made the decision that I was pleased enough with the iPhone in its current state to forget about any future updates since I knew Apple would try to lock us out of future updates.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This next update will have the WiFi iTunes store, but I imagine not too much else except for minor bug fixes. I don&#039;t care about the WiFi store since I don&#039;t buy iTunes music anyways. There hasn&#039;t been anything substantial with the first two minor updates and I really don&#039;t expect much for this first generation iPhone. There are lots of things that could be improved upon (Exchange email support, Flash in the browser, etc), but I wouldn&#039;t personally count on this anytime soon.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Didn&#039;t Apple state the iPhone couldn&#039;t be unlocked? And look what the hackers did. I will just sit tight and let those awesome hackers test out the next update before I make any moves with my T-Mobile iPhone. I am quite happy with it and love that I can use it with my T-Mobile Family Plan and my unlimited text messaging.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all knew this was coming when we hacked our iPhones and I personally knew the risks going into it. With 4 phones locked into T-Mobile I was willing to take the risk of voiding my warranty to save myself $50/month to drop AT&amp;T. I also made the decision that I was pleased enough with the iPhone in its current state to forget about any future updates since I knew Apple would try to lock us out of future updates.</p>

<p>This next update will have the WiFi iTunes store, but I imagine not too much else except for minor bug fixes. I don&#8217;t care about the WiFi store since I don&#8217;t buy iTunes music anyways. There hasn&#8217;t been anything substantial with the first two minor updates and I really don&#8217;t expect much for this first generation iPhone. There are lots of things that could be improved upon (Exchange email support, Flash in the browser, etc), but I wouldn&#8217;t personally count on this anytime soon.</p>

<p>Didn&#8217;t Apple state the iPhone couldn&#8217;t be unlocked? And look what the hackers did. I will just sit tight and let those awesome hackers test out the next update before I make any moves with my T-Mobile iPhone. I am quite happy with it and love that I can use it with my T-Mobile Family Plan and my unlimited text messaging.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Hice</title>
		<link>http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2007/09/24/breaking-apple-drops-the-hammer-on-unlockers/comment-page-1/#comment-2338</link>
		<dc:creator>Hice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The updates are optional right? You don&#039;t have to install them. So what&#039;s all the fuss about. I live in the UK and have been using an unlocked iPhone for a few weeks. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I am perfectly happily with this device as it is, sans update. It beats any other phone I have owned (and there are many) hands down. No desperate need for an update as far as I can see.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So I am perfectly happy to let the kids see what happens after the update drops, and then do whatever seems to work once the dust has settled. If it seems worth it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If this phone goes wrong in the future, it will be getting reset, and sent back. Warranty intact as far as I can see.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;All in all, this seems like a load of hot air to passify AT&amp;T. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As for the occassional bizarre apple fantwat rantings here. They are as brainless and sheep-like as ever. I love apple products, but can&#039;t for the life of me figure these people out..&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Keep up the good work on the blog.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The updates are optional right? You don&#8217;t have to install them. So what&#8217;s all the fuss about. I live in the UK and have been using an unlocked iPhone for a few weeks. </p>

<p>I am perfectly happily with this device as it is, sans update. It beats any other phone I have owned (and there are many) hands down. No desperate need for an update as far as I can see.</p>

<p>So I am perfectly happy to let the kids see what happens after the update drops, and then do whatever seems to work once the dust has settled. If it seems worth it.</p>

<p>If this phone goes wrong in the future, it will be getting reset, and sent back. Warranty intact as far as I can see.</p>

<p>All in all, this seems like a load of hot air to passify AT&amp;T. </p>

<p>As for the occassional bizarre apple fantwat rantings here. They are as brainless and sheep-like as ever. I love apple products, but can&#8217;t for the life of me figure these people out..</p>

<p>Keep up the good work on the blog.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: MikieMikie</title>
		<link>http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2007/09/24/breaking-apple-drops-the-hammer-on-unlockers/comment-page-1/#comment-2336</link>
		<dc:creator>MikieMikie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bitcher: AT&amp;T Contributed $0.00 toward development. They sunk a considerable sum into beefing up their network, tuning and improving EDGE, etc.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;To Kent:
People who purchase automobiles, and new ones at that, and modify them violate the manufacturer’s warranty. Those who choose to purchase a product, purchase it “as is.” If it doesn’t suit them, they shouldn’t buy it.
Those who modify their phones into toasters, Margarita mixers, or adobe brickes, do so knowing full well what they are doing. Apple was extremely clear that they were not opening the phone up to developers.
It seems simple to me:
You modify your phone
1. you void your warranty
2. you should not update your phone with Apple’s newest software.
If the software you want isn’t on the phone, sell it to someone who wants it, use it as a boat anchor, but don’t make the manufacturer the enemy when its your own expectations that are at fault.
– Mikie&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bitcher: AT&amp;T Contributed $0.00 toward development. They sunk a considerable sum into beefing up their network, tuning and improving EDGE, etc.</p>

<p>To Kent:
People who purchase automobiles, and new ones at that, and modify them violate the manufacturer’s warranty. Those who choose to purchase a product, purchase it “as is.” If it doesn’t suit them, they shouldn’t buy it.
Those who modify their phones into toasters, Margarita mixers, or adobe brickes, do so knowing full well what they are doing. Apple was extremely clear that they were not opening the phone up to developers.
It seems simple to me:
You modify your phone
1. you void your warranty
2. you should not update your phone with Apple’s newest software.
If the software you want isn’t on the phone, sell it to someone who wants it, use it as a boat anchor, but don’t make the manufacturer the enemy when its your own expectations that are at fault.
– Mikie</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Bitcher</title>
		<link>http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2007/09/24/breaking-apple-drops-the-hammer-on-unlockers/comment-page-1/#comment-2331</link>
		<dc:creator>Bitcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 05:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have to chime in on this one :)  I can really see only two reasons for the Apple statement.&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Since the iPhone is 99% OS, by unlocking it you may be required to modify Apple&#039;s code, I&#039;m not an unlocker so someone else has to verify that one.  Since modifying Apple&#039;s OS should be some form of copyright violation I can see their position if that&#039;s in fact the case.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Apple may have posted the statement in support of it&#039;s currently ONLY US carrier for the phone.  Some of the impetus could have come from AT$T as well.  Only Apple could make the posted statement anyway since it&#039;s their OS.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ol&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m sure Apple couldn&#039;t care less if someone bricks their phone by playing with it&#039;s software.  That&#039;s the price you pay for altering your device.  Apple should not have to warranty your phone because you decide to f*&amp;k it up by altering it&#039;s code.  I don&#039;t blame them for the post actually.  I look at it as a warning that an impending update will likely screw up a modded phone and Apple throwing AT$T a bone trying to keep business in their pocket.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Does anyone know how much, if at all, AT$T threw towards apple for development?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;None of the above is meant to recant any previous rantings about Jobs being a money grubbing jaginthebag.  That opinion still stands ;)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to chime in on this one <img src='http://www.theiphoneblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   I can really see only two reasons for the Apple statement.</p>

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<li><p>Since the iPhone is 99% OS, by unlocking it you may be required to modify Apple&#8217;s code, I&#8217;m not an unlocker so someone else has to verify that one.  Since modifying Apple&#8217;s OS should be some form of copyright violation I can see their position if that&#8217;s in fact the case.</p></li>
<li><p>Apple may have posted the statement in support of it&#8217;s currently ONLY US carrier for the phone.  Some of the impetus could have come from AT$T as well.  Only Apple could make the posted statement anyway since it&#8217;s their OS.</p></li>
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<p>I&#8217;m sure Apple couldn&#8217;t care less if someone bricks their phone by playing with it&#8217;s software.  That&#8217;s the price you pay for altering your device.  Apple should not have to warranty your phone because you decide to f*&amp;k it up by altering it&#8217;s code.  I don&#8217;t blame them for the post actually.  I look at it as a warning that an impending update will likely screw up a modded phone and Apple throwing AT$T a bone trying to keep business in their pocket.</p>

<p>Does anyone know how much, if at all, AT$T threw towards apple for development?</p>

<p>None of the above is meant to recant any previous rantings about Jobs being a money grubbing jaginthebag.  That opinion still stands <img src='http://www.theiphoneblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jeff B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 05:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You are way wrong on this one Kent.   You signed contract if you bought an iPhone.   When you enter into a contract, you are legally obligated.   If you don&#039;t like AT&amp;T, or the limitations of the contract, then don&#039;t buy an iPhone, or file a suit to legally exempt yourself from the contract if you win.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s not at all absurd that Apple and AT&amp;T would want to protect their intellectual property and businesses built on the iPhone&#039;s success.    If it is absurd that this might void the warranty, then why not have at it with code that writes and erases your iPhone&#039;s flash memory over and over through thousands of cycles.    That would eventually physically damage the gates on the flash, and would render the device damaged.    There are things that you can do in software that cause real physical harm.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But more to the point, there are many good reasons why Apple wants to limit and protect their product, and they have every right to do so.    You are simply wrong.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are way wrong on this one Kent.   You signed contract if you bought an iPhone.   When you enter into a contract, you are legally obligated.   If you don&#8217;t like AT&amp;T, or the limitations of the contract, then don&#8217;t buy an iPhone, or file a suit to legally exempt yourself from the contract if you win.</p>

<p>It&#8217;s not at all absurd that Apple and AT&amp;T would want to protect their intellectual property and businesses built on the iPhone&#8217;s success.    If it is absurd that this might void the warranty, then why not have at it with code that writes and erases your iPhone&#8217;s flash memory over and over through thousands of cycles.    That would eventually physically damage the gates on the flash, and would render the device damaged.    There are things that you can do in software that cause real physical harm.</p>

<p>But more to the point, there are many good reasons why Apple wants to limit and protect their product, and they have every right to do so.    You are simply wrong.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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