Comments on: iPhone 2.0: Save Web Images http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/iphone-20-save-web-images/ For people who dare to Phone Different. Mon, 23 Nov 2009 02:00:50 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Ben Hiscock http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/iphone-20-save-web-images/comment-page-1/#comment-41496 Ben Hiscock Sun, 19 Apr 2009 06:58:55 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/iphone-20-save-web-images/#comment-41496 <p>Jesus these people rely like thier food PIE (pocket IE, Apple cant these people get over food no wonder theres an obesity crisis</p> Jesus these people rely like thier food PIE (pocket IE, Apple cant these people get over food no wonder theres an obesity crisis

]]> By: Черчесов http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/iphone-20-save-web-images/comment-page-1/#comment-12009 Черчесов Fri, 08 Aug 2008 06:39:27 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/iphone-20-save-web-images/#comment-12009 <p>Отличная идея, но надо бы подумать о количестве реламы на блоге. По-моему ее слишком много :) Хотя, конечно - это не мое дело :)</p> Отличная идея, но надо бы подумать о количестве реламы на блоге. По-моему ее слишком много :) Хотя, конечно – это не мое дело :)

]]> By: cmaier http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/iphone-20-save-web-images/comment-page-1/#comment-6242 cmaier Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:40:35 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/iphone-20-save-web-images/#comment-6242 <p>Android is closed? And windows is open?</p> <p>I think I don't need to say anymore. You might want to put down the shovel.</p> Android is closed? And windows is open?

I think I don’t need to say anymore. You might want to put down the shovel.

]]> By: surur http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/iphone-20-save-web-images/comment-page-1/#comment-6241 surur Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:34:06 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/iphone-20-save-web-images/#comment-6241 <table width=100% bgcolor=lightgray><tr><td bgcolor=white>Are you kidding? I'm supposed to believe that suddenly MS has seen the light, and provides open access to all competitors? They killed Java on windows, dr-dos, wordperfect, various competing office suites, novell, netscape, etc., but now they're open? As for why I doubt it, I've enumerated multiple examples of their non-openness over the years. I agree, they SAY they are open. But much like George Bush says we are winning the war in Iraq, I have much reason to doubt it. And, again, the way to ensure that they are open is to publish the darned source code. If everyone can see what the code is doing, everyone can be sure they aren't disadvantaged. This is why android is "open" and WM and iphone are not. This is why Linux is open and windows and leopard are not. This is why webkit and gecko are open and IE's rendering engine is not. etc.</td></tr></table> <p>Thats your definition of open. Just because an app is open source does not mean I can make everyone use my version of the code, can I? (like for example I can make everyone read my version of a wikipedia article, if just for a few seconds). There are always rules, and various degrees of openness. </p> <p>Open means access, and for developers it means being able to write apps, not being able to disassemble the OS. </p> <p>Android for example is going to be pretty closed, because apps will run in a java-like sandbox, vs real native apps. WM is open in the ways that matter, and ODM's get the full source code also.</p> <p>Surur</p> Are you kidding? I’m supposed to believe that suddenly MS has seen the light, and provides open access to all competitors? They killed Java on windows, dr-dos, wordperfect, various competing office suites, novell, netscape, etc., but now they’re open? As for why I doubt it, I’ve enumerated multiple examples of their non-openness over the years. I agree, they SAY they are open. But much like George Bush says we are winning the war in Iraq, I have much reason to doubt it. And, again, the way to ensure that they are open is to publish the darned source code. If everyone can see what the code is doing, everyone can be sure they aren’t disadvantaged. This is why android is “open” and WM and iphone are not. This is why Linux is open and windows and leopard are not. This is why webkit and gecko are open and IE’s rendering engine is not. etc.

Thats your definition of open. Just because an app is open source does not mean I can make everyone use my version of the code, can I? (like for example I can make everyone read my version of a wikipedia article, if just for a few seconds). There are always rules, and various degrees of openness.

Open means access, and for developers it means being able to write apps, not being able to disassemble the OS.

Android for example is going to be pretty closed, because apps will run in a java-like sandbox, vs real native apps. WM is open in the ways that matter, and ODM’s get the full source code also.

Surur

]]> By: cmaier http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/iphone-20-save-web-images/comment-page-1/#comment-6240 cmaier Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:25:12 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/iphone-20-save-web-images/#comment-6240 <p>Are you kidding? I'm supposed to believe that suddenly MS has seen the light, and provides open access to all competitors? They killed Java on windows, dr-dos, wordperfect, various competing office suites, novell, netscape, etc., but now they're open?</p> <p>As for why I doubt it, I've enumerated multiple examples of their non-openness over the years. I agree, they SAY they are open. But much like George Bush says we are winning the war in Iraq, I have much reason to doubt it.</p> <p>And, again, the way to ensure that they are open is to publish the darned source code. If everyone can see what the code is doing, everyone can be sure they aren't disadvantaged. </p> <p>This is why android is "open" and WM and iphone are not. This is why Linux is open and windows and leopard are not. This is why webkit and gecko are open and IE's rendering engine is not. etc.</p> Are you kidding? I’m supposed to believe that suddenly MS has seen the light, and provides open access to all competitors? They killed Java on windows, dr-dos, wordperfect, various competing office suites, novell, netscape, etc., but now they’re open?

As for why I doubt it, I’ve enumerated multiple examples of their non-openness over the years. I agree, they SAY they are open. But much like George Bush says we are winning the war in Iraq, I have much reason to doubt it.

And, again, the way to ensure that they are open is to publish the darned source code. If everyone can see what the code is doing, everyone can be sure they aren’t disadvantaged.

This is why android is “open” and WM and iphone are not. This is why Linux is open and windows and leopard are not. This is why webkit and gecko are open and IE’s rendering engine is not. etc.

]]> By: surur http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/iphone-20-save-web-images/comment-page-1/#comment-6239 surur Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:07:26 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/iphone-20-save-web-images/#comment-6239 <table width=100% bgcolor=lightgray><tr><td bgcolor=white>Whenever you have nothing to say, you throw up distractions. For (i think) the third time, I am not saying Apple is open. I am only saying Microsoft is not, and, in fact, <strong>I doubt its any more open than Apple</strong>.</td></tr></table> <p>But they are, which is the point. I have no idea why you doubt it. Just because Apple has open source license obligations does not make them open. They are very closed when it matters, when people actually WANT access to their technology</p> <table width=100% bgcolor=lightgray><tr><td bgcolor=white>"Allowing" third parties to use your "infrastructure" while secretly using anti-competitive practices to make sure they can't succeed is not "open."</td></tr></table> <p>Stop living in the past.</p> <p>Surur</p> Whenever you have nothing to say, you throw up distractions. For (i think) the third time, I am not saying Apple is open. I am only saying Microsoft is not, and, in fact, I doubt its any more open than Apple.

But they are, which is the point. I have no idea why you doubt it. Just because Apple has open source license obligations does not make them open. They are very closed when it matters, when people actually WANT access to their technology

“Allowing” third parties to use your “infrastructure” while secretly using anti-competitive practices to make sure they can’t succeed is not “open.”

Stop living in the past.

Surur

]]> By: Rene Ritchie http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/iphone-20-save-web-images/comment-page-1/#comment-6238 Rene Ritchie Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:55:53 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/iphone-20-save-web-images/#comment-6238 <p>cmaier is correct. Microsoft's previous business model was to aggressively enter space, abuse monopoly powers to gain market share, and then use anti-competitive practices and tie ins to lock consumers in.</p> <p>Luckily, it looks like Ray Ozzy may -- just may -- be changing that business model (or, more precisely, recognizing that world no longer allows it, and is beginning to punish it).</p> cmaier is correct. Microsoft’s previous business model was to aggressively enter space, abuse monopoly powers to gain market share, and then use anti-competitive practices and tie ins to lock consumers in.

Luckily, it looks like Ray Ozzy may — just may — be changing that business model (or, more precisely, recognizing that world no longer allows it, and is beginning to punish it).

]]> By: cmaier http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/iphone-20-save-web-images/comment-page-1/#comment-6237 cmaier Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:49:04 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/iphone-20-save-web-images/#comment-6237 <p>Whenever you have nothing to say, you throw up distractions. For (i think) the third time, I am not saying Apple is open. I am only saying Microsoft is not, and, in fact, I doubt its any more open than Apple.</p> <p>"Allowing" third parties to use your "infrastructure" while secretly using anti-competitive practices to make sure they can't succeed is not "open."</p> Whenever you have nothing to say, you throw up distractions. For (i think) the third time, I am not saying Apple is open. I am only saying Microsoft is not, and, in fact, I doubt its any more open than Apple.

“Allowing” third parties to use your “infrastructure” while secretly using anti-competitive practices to make sure they can’t succeed is not “open.”

]]> By: surur http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/iphone-20-save-web-images/comment-page-1/#comment-6236 surur Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:43:44 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/iphone-20-save-web-images/#comment-6236 <table width=100% bgcolor=lightgray><tr><td bgcolor=white>If the code is open source, I can be sure that anything the vendor can do, I can do too.</td></tr></table> <p>Like multi-tasking on the iPhone?</p> <p>Surur</p> If the code is open source, I can be sure that anything the vendor can do, I can do too.

Like multi-tasking on the iPhone?

Surur

]]> By: cmaier http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/iphone-20-save-web-images/comment-page-1/#comment-6235 cmaier Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:40:53 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/iphone-20-save-web-images/#comment-6235 <p>But the API is NOT "well-documented!" That's the point! Microsoft nearly got split in two because they had a habit of hiding API functions and using them in their own programs (i.e.: office) while preventing others from using them.</p> <p>There are millions of developers developing for windows, but Microsoft killed its browser and office competition through anti-competitive practices such as these, and such as actually putting secret code in the OS to detect certain 3rd party programs and make them not function properly. </p> <p>If the code is open source, I can be sure that anything the vendor can do, I can do too.</p> But the API is NOT “well-documented!” That’s the point! Microsoft nearly got split in two because they had a habit of hiding API functions and using them in their own programs (i.e.: office) while preventing others from using them.

There are millions of developers developing for windows, but Microsoft killed its browser and office competition through anti-competitive practices such as these, and such as actually putting secret code in the OS to detect certain 3rd party programs and make them not function properly.

If the code is open source, I can be sure that anything the vendor can do, I can do too.

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