Comments on: Opera Mini Denied! Apple Disallows Browser Competitor for iPhone

By: stldirty

stldirty — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 18:20:34 +0000

yea the kool-aid comment went over my head too.

By: fassy

fassy — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 17:42:09 +0000

Kool-Aid is a popular fruit-flavored drink. The phrase "drinking the Kool-Aid" is a reference to the Jonestown mass suicide of 1978, where over 900 members of the People's Temple drank cyanide laced grape drink after leader Jim Jones' call to "revolutionary suicide." Since then, "drinking the Kool-Aid" has become shorthand for when a person or group of people do or believe something obviously against their best interests (or sometimes just against an objective reading of the facts) due to a charismatic leader.

It has become an especially popular phrase in technology flame wars, where mac/windows users will toss it around, with Jobs or Gates presumed to be in the Jim Jones role.

Ironically enough, the Jonestown suicides used a Kool-Aid competitor, but Kool-Aid entered the pharsebook.

By: frog

frog — Sat, 01 Nov 2008 10:29:45 +0000

Can someone translate the “enjoy drinking the kool-aid” to plain English for me? I’m not American, went straight over my head LOL

By: Tunnelrunner

Tunnelrunner — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:35:37 +0000

Not necessarily taking sides here (not even saying that I support putting Opera on the iPhone) -- but mobile Safari DOES crash a lot. For someone who frequents the desktop (ie: "real" version) version of Facebook, crashes are an everyday occurance.

If Apple wants to stick with Safari, fine, but make the damn thing MORE STABLE.

By: Likeabite

Likeabite — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:38:36 +0000

@ 25…That’s like saying no other apps have a place on the iPhone platform because they are not a part of the experience. People want choices and Apple’s anti competetiveness is worse than Microsoft’s.

By: iPhoneMilk

iPhoneMilk — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:29:47 +0000

oh and another thing… I’m sick and tired of people saying “competition is a good thing” Hey guess what? it works the OTHER WAY AROUND TO, Newsflash people.

If it IS in fact such a good thing then Microsoft, Blackberry and others should be developing amazing things then right? cool! go buy one once they Make it! but so far?? all i see is RIM and others trying to copy off Apple and Steve jobs… so honestly i’m SICK of it. Sick of listening to you people rant on about competition. Apple brought in the new product THEY are the one’s spicing up the game. NOW the ball is on your court Microsft, it’s on YOUR court RIM, your move next.

By: iPhoneMilk

iPhoneMilk — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:55:51 +0000

Nope.

I'm glad they denied it. Keep knockin em down Steve Jobs! My Hero! =) Steve Jobs for President 2008.

Btw.. did it ever occur to you whining people that it could raise security concerns using another browser? also what about the integration. Right now with Safari you can directly open up the email app and email links to people and also use the shortcut function and save the icon to your "springboard" stuff like that. it's all integrated with the iPhone. Point being, even if you got your PRECIOUS opera or (insert browser here) would you still get the same integration into the rest of the iPhone OS??

By: spunup

spunup — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:43:50 +0000

Another Jobs douche move...

What a surprise!!! I can't wait for this phone to be declared a "compuing platform".

Does Stevie remember what happened to Microsoft?

Competition is a good thing.

By: coop

coop — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:12:26 +0000

No surprise there. What has to happen for Apple to be taken to task for this sort of thing?

An Anti-trust suit? Go for it Opera!

Oh and, frog, "Safari is part of the iPhone experience."

Did you enjoy drinking the kool-aid? Just asking...

By: thekevinmonster

thekevinmonster — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:32:05 +0000

ivory: you did pay for it, and you can do what you want. For example, you can jailbreak it. Apple can also release software to reverse your jailbreak. Apple does not have to make it EASY for you to do what you want, and I don't think they even have to let you do what you want.

(Are you violating the DMCA when you jailbreak an iPhone? I would assume not or else Apple would try to shut down the dev teams that do it.)

However, while Apple can apparently release a phone where they can control the content installed on it (just like videogame console manufacturers can), that doesn't mean they should.

Note that Opera Mini uses off-site rendering, and the actual client doesn't render the website the way Safari does. Just to.. say that.