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	<title>Comments on: Rumorous Maximus: iPhone Models to be Differentiated by Software?</title>
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		<title>By: Held</title>
		<link>http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2009/05/20/rumorous-maximus-iphone-models-differentiated-software/comment-page-1/#comment-46661</link>
		<dc:creator>Held</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 05:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If apple goes this route, then they have jumped the shark.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If apple goes this route, then they have jumped the shark.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Loramar</title>
		<link>http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2009/05/20/rumorous-maximus-iphone-models-differentiated-software/comment-page-1/#comment-46361</link>
		<dc:creator>Loramar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 04:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Free updates?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;MS give out free updates for WIndows. The service packs they release add heaps pf functionality. For free. Why, in this day and age, would upgrades to an OS be charged for? We haven&#039;t paid for incremental updates ever, on any platform.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Free updates?</p>

<p>MS give out free updates for WIndows. The service packs they release add heaps pf functionality. For free. Why, in this day and age, would upgrades to an OS be charged for? We haven&#8217;t paid for incremental updates ever, on any platform.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: dev</title>
		<link>http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2009/05/20/rumorous-maximus-iphone-models-differentiated-software/comment-page-1/#comment-46306</link>
		<dc:creator>dev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 00:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The MMS specification is a &lt;em&gt;message format specification&lt;/em&gt; - an older phone with non-upgradeable firmware will not be able to parse a format developed after its release, but the iphone, with easily upgraded software and firmware, has no such difficulties.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Again, swirlymms (jailbreak app) has identical code sending and receiving MMS on both 3G and 2G iPhones.  If the 2G was hardware incapable, this would not be possible.  Clearly, it is &lt;em&gt;NOT&lt;/em&gt; a hardware issue.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The MMS specification is a <em>message format specification</em> &#8211; an older phone with non-upgradeable firmware will not be able to parse a format developed after its release, but the iphone, with easily upgraded software and firmware, has no such difficulties.</p>

<p>Again, swirlymms (jailbreak app) has identical code sending and receiving MMS on both 3G and 2G iPhones.  If the 2G was hardware incapable, this would not be possible.  Clearly, it is <em>NOT</em> a hardware issue.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: frog</title>
		<link>http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2009/05/20/rumorous-maximus-iphone-models-differentiated-software/comment-page-1/#comment-46296</link>
		<dc:creator>frog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 23:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The 2G can&#039;t support the latest MMS standard. Same as new Nokia smartphones send an MMS to an old Nokia - which supports an earlier MMS version - and they never get received. I know the US is behind in mobile technology, but this is a known problem worldwide. 
Why build in MMS, when there friends with new iPhones won&#039;t be able to message them?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 2G can&#8217;t support the latest MMS standard. Same as new Nokia smartphones send an MMS to an old Nokia &#8211; which supports an earlier MMS version &#8211; and they never get received. I know the US is behind in mobile technology, but this is a known problem worldwide. 
Why build in MMS, when there friends with new iPhones won&#8217;t be able to message them?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: TJLeeland</title>
		<link>http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2009/05/20/rumorous-maximus-iphone-models-differentiated-software/comment-page-1/#comment-46294</link>
		<dc:creator>TJLeeland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 23:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Free software?!?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Um, OK. See, when I bought the 3G iphone, it had so many issues I was ready to take it back. The iTunes backup took (no joke) up to 45 minutes, the scroll wheel action was sluggish, and Safari crashed over and over. I kept that iphone ONLY because I knew they were working on updates. Had I been told Apple was going to charge me even $1 to make my POS iPhone into a good iPhone, I would have returned it JUST AS FAST as if I had been told they were never going to update (read &quot;fix&quot;) my phone at all.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So, sorry, that is NOT free software. Now, moving from 1.0 to 2.0 to 3.0 is an entirely different story. But 2.2 to 2.2.1 had better be free. We can talk about full-point updates later.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Was I entitled to updates that made a disfunctional phone a working phone - when I&#039;m tied to it for two years and paid $299? YOU BET! If Apple wants me to fork over $299 for the iPhone 3.0, that is. Otherwise, I&#039;d be looking at the Blackberry Storm or the Palm Pre.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Free software?!?</p>

<p>Um, OK. See, when I bought the 3G iphone, it had so many issues I was ready to take it back. The iTunes backup took (no joke) up to 45 minutes, the scroll wheel action was sluggish, and Safari crashed over and over. I kept that iphone ONLY because I knew they were working on updates. Had I been told Apple was going to charge me even $1 to make my POS iPhone into a good iPhone, I would have returned it JUST AS FAST as if I had been told they were never going to update (read &#8220;fix&#8221;) my phone at all.</p>

<p>So, sorry, that is NOT free software. Now, moving from 1.0 to 2.0 to 3.0 is an entirely different story. But 2.2 to 2.2.1 had better be free. We can talk about full-point updates later.</p>

<p>Was I entitled to updates that made a disfunctional phone a working phone &#8211; when I&#8217;m tied to it for two years and paid $299? YOU BET! If Apple wants me to fork over $299 for the iPhone 3.0, that is. Otherwise, I&#8217;d be looking at the Blackberry Storm or the Palm Pre.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: dev</title>
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		<dc:creator>dev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 22:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Lack of MMS does not bother me in the least -- but, for some reason, it it is important to significant number of people.  More to the point, since MMS has been enabled using identical code for 2G and 3G by people with far less resources than Apple, Apple&#039;s claim of hardware limitations rings hollow.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lack of MMS does not bother me in the least &#8212; but, for some reason, it it is important to significant number of people.  More to the point, since MMS has been enabled using identical code for 2G and 3G by people with far less resources than Apple, Apple&#8217;s claim of hardware limitations rings hollow.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Rene Ritchie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rene Ritchie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 18:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@dev: I think for some users MMS is important and they&#039;re very vocal about it, but I&#039;m not sure how actual numbers of people considering it&#039;s important maps to how loud those who do think its important are about it -- if that makes any sense.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;No MMS never bothered me, neither did cut and paste really. Now, however, cut and paste is a semi-frequent thing I use, but MMS is still zero on my radar. (I email tons of things, however, as that goes to iPhones and computers).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As feature phone market share drops, smartphone and netbook increases, MMS is likely dying. Apple is known to axe floppy disks, optical disks, firewire ports, etc. in an instant. I can see MMS as being high on their feature list either?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@dev: I think for some users MMS is important and they&#8217;re very vocal about it, but I&#8217;m not sure how actual numbers of people considering it&#8217;s important maps to how loud those who do think its important are about it &#8212; if that makes any sense.</p>

<p>No MMS never bothered me, neither did cut and paste really. Now, however, cut and paste is a semi-frequent thing I use, but MMS is still zero on my radar. (I email tons of things, however, as that goes to iPhones and computers).</p>

<p>As feature phone market share drops, smartphone and netbook increases, MMS is likely dying. Apple is known to axe floppy disks, optical disks, firewire ports, etc. in an instant. I can see MMS as being high on their feature list either?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jessi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 18:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Right on, Rene!!! I find it completely amazing that people do not appreciate the FREE software upgrade Apple gives their users. The entitlement these people feel is truly astounding.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on, Rene!!! I find it completely amazing that people do not appreciate the FREE software upgrade Apple gives their users. The entitlement these people feel is truly astounding.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: dev</title>
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		<dc:creator>dev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 18:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Rene
It &lt;em&gt;does&lt;/em&gt; make sense to withold MMS and not copy/paste, because few people are going to purchase a new phone for copy/paste, whereas this very site crawls with visitors who want MMS badly, and who would be willing to upgrade their phone for it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As others pointed out in earlier threads, MMS is not a hardware trick -- simply a differently formatted message.  There there have been jailbroken apps supporting MMS on the 2G iphone for over a year -- using the same binary for both 2G and 3G phones, i.e. the same exact software for 2G vs 3G phones, no &quot;second stack&quot; required.  I agree with you that Apple is under no obligation to release an MMS update for the 2G iphone, but it is extremely hard to believe there is a hardware limitation in play here for MMS.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Stereo BT, on the other hand, could very easily have some hardware issues between 2G and 3G.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rene
It <em>does</em> make sense to withold MMS and not copy/paste, because few people are going to purchase a new phone for copy/paste, whereas this very site crawls with visitors who want MMS badly, and who would be willing to upgrade their phone for it.</p>

<p>As others pointed out in earlier threads, MMS is not a hardware trick &#8212; simply a differently formatted message.  There there have been jailbroken apps supporting MMS on the 2G iphone for over a year &#8212; using the same binary for both 2G and 3G phones, i.e. the same exact software for 2G vs 3G phones, no &#8220;second stack&#8221; required.  I agree with you that Apple is under no obligation to release an MMS update for the 2G iphone, but it is extremely hard to believe there is a hardware limitation in play here for MMS.</p>

<p>Stereo BT, on the other hand, could very easily have some hardware issues between 2G and 3G.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: TosaDeac</title>
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		<dc:creator>TosaDeac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 18:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well said Rene!  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That is a much more eloquent expression of my feelings on the upgrades we 2G iPhone users have received.  I don&#039;t think I am entitled to anything but think it is great that we have been getting incremental upgrades.  Some features can be easily added to the 2G while other features can&#039;t.  The fact my 18 month old iPhone does almost everything (save GPS and 3G radio) that the 3G iPhone someone buys today is incredible.  I can not think of another technogadget I have that has been freely upgraded over that same interval as my iPhone has and I still have Os 3.0 (even if it does not include full bluetooth and MMS support) to look forward to in another month.  I would have to think any other smartphone purchased at the same time I purchased my iPhone 18 months ago is far more outdated than mine is.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Rene!  </p>

<p>That is a much more eloquent expression of my feelings on the upgrades we 2G iPhone users have received.  I don&#8217;t think I am entitled to anything but think it is great that we have been getting incremental upgrades.  Some features can be easily added to the 2G while other features can&#8217;t.  The fact my 18 month old iPhone does almost everything (save GPS and 3G radio) that the 3G iPhone someone buys today is incredible.  I can not think of another technogadget I have that has been freely upgraded over that same interval as my iPhone has and I still have Os 3.0 (even if it does not include full bluetooth and MMS support) to look forward to in another month.  I would have to think any other smartphone purchased at the same time I purchased my iPhone 18 months ago is far more outdated than mine is.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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