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	<title>Comments on: Would You Sign a 3-Year AT&amp;T Contract to Get iPhone 3G S at $199/$299 Subsidy Pricing?</title>
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		<title>By: wow what a moron</title>
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		<dc:creator>wow what a moron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;wow what a dumbass. thats not at all how it is.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: jimmy</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jimmy</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>jimmy</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: ken Clifford</title>
		<link>http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2009/06/10/sign-3year-att-contract-iphone-3g-199299-subsidy-pricing/comment-page-1/#comment-55621</link>
		<dc:creator>ken Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 07:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;SO..  If AT&amp;T is recouping the money they lost by offering us a discounted iPhone 3G during the course of our 2-year contract, Then.... if we pay the full price for the new 3GS, then shouldn&#039;t the monthly cost go down after the initial 2 years (of the original contract? Since we paid full price for the new phone, there&#039;s no cost reduction for them to recoup, so during the course of our new contract, when the date rolls around that marks the 2 year anniversary of our original contract, then the monthly cost should go down... is this not logical?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SO..  If AT&amp;T is recouping the money they lost by offering us a discounted iPhone 3G during the course of our 2-year contract, Then&#8230;. if we pay the full price for the new 3GS, then shouldn&#8217;t the monthly cost go down after the initial 2 years (of the original contract? Since we paid full price for the new phone, there&#8217;s no cost reduction for them to recoup, so during the course of our new contract, when the date rolls around that marks the 2 year anniversary of our original contract, then the monthly cost should go down&#8230; is this not logical?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: figureitout</title>
		<link>http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2009/06/10/sign-3year-att-contract-iphone-3g-199299-subsidy-pricing/comment-page-1/#comment-51244</link>
		<dc:creator>figureitout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 02:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It will never happen and here&#039;s why:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It costs Apple an estimated almost $200 to manufacture the iPhone.  That doesn&#039;t include R&amp;D, software development, advertising, packaging, etc.  Part of that &quot;subsidized&quot; contract with ATT pays Apple a portion of every phone sold, or rather every contract signed.  This is how Apple are making money.  ATT is still just providing service and making money in your 2 year service plan (minus Apple&#039;s fees).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you get a phone at Apple&#039;s cost every year and all you do is add another year to your contract, then each year ATT is making less and less off of your contract as they pay Apple out.  The alternative is that ATT pays Apple less for each add-on contract signed.  For what you are proposing, the math doesn&#039;t add up and this is why they don&#039;t do it.  Someone will lose money.  It&#039;s simple dollars and sense.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you remove the contract portion of it completely, you are getting a device that should cost the consumer as much as $4-500.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will never happen and here&#8217;s why:</p>

<p>It costs Apple an estimated almost $200 to manufacture the iPhone.  That doesn&#8217;t include R&amp;D, software development, advertising, packaging, etc.  Part of that &#8220;subsidized&#8221; contract with ATT pays Apple a portion of every phone sold, or rather every contract signed.  This is how Apple are making money.  ATT is still just providing service and making money in your 2 year service plan (minus Apple&#8217;s fees).</p>

<p>If you get a phone at Apple&#8217;s cost every year and all you do is add another year to your contract, then each year ATT is making less and less off of your contract as they pay Apple out.  The alternative is that ATT pays Apple less for each add-on contract signed.  For what you are proposing, the math doesn&#8217;t add up and this is why they don&#8217;t do it.  Someone will lose money.  It&#8217;s simple dollars and sense.</p>

<p>If you remove the contract portion of it completely, you are getting a device that should cost the consumer as much as $4-500.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Truth</title>
		<link>http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2009/06/10/sign-3year-att-contract-iphone-3g-199299-subsidy-pricing/comment-page-1/#comment-51185</link>
		<dc:creator>Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 20:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=9078#comment-51185</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;That&#039;s like asking whether I would like to get shot or stabbed to death.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s like asking whether I would like to get shot or stabbed to death.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Hank</title>
		<link>http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2009/06/10/sign-3year-att-contract-iphone-3g-199299-subsidy-pricing/comment-page-1/#comment-51110</link>
		<dc:creator>Hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=9078#comment-51110</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;My understanding from AT&amp;T Customer Service is ... You can add a new line for $9.99 then get the subsidized iPhone 3GS with a two year agreement. Then you continue to pay $9.99 on the original line until the two year contract is up. Therefore if you had a year remaining on the first contract (the original line) then you are out $119.88 + the subsidized price ($199/$299) of the phone.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Not perfect but very easy to do and AT&amp;T OK&#039;s it.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My understanding from AT&amp;T Customer Service is &#8230; You can add a new line for $9.99 then get the subsidized iPhone 3GS with a two year agreement. Then you continue to pay $9.99 on the original line until the two year contract is up. Therefore if you had a year remaining on the first contract (the original line) then you are out $119.88 + the subsidized price ($199/$299) of the phone.</p>

<p>Not perfect but very easy to do and AT&amp;T OK&#8217;s it.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: dick</title>
		<link>http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2009/06/10/sign-3year-att-contract-iphone-3g-199299-subsidy-pricing/comment-page-1/#comment-51080</link>
		<dc:creator>dick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=9078#comment-51080</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;I paid $800 for the original i phone, so why do I need to continue to subsidize ATT? They make $1800 a year on my service, so $3600 over 2 years.They made no upgrade available for second edition, and now will not offer the earliest adaptors a price comparable to new customers.
Can&#039;t wait for contract to expire, who needs ATT or Apple?
Where&#039;s my land line, who needs all of this grief?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I paid $800 for the original i phone, so why do I need to continue to subsidize ATT? They make $1800 a year on my service, so $3600 over 2 years.They made no upgrade available for second edition, and now will not offer the earliest adaptors a price comparable to new customers.
Can&#8217;t wait for contract to expire, who needs ATT or Apple?
Where&#8217;s my land line, who needs all of this grief?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Bill Taroli</title>
		<link>http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2009/06/10/sign-3year-att-contract-iphone-3g-199299-subsidy-pricing/comment-page-1/#comment-51076</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Taroli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=9078#comment-51076</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;These contract discussions always amuse me. You do realize that all these carriers are doing is trying to guarantee themselves a revenue stream. That way they don&#039;t have to worry about crappy service, treating customers poorly, etc. The contract is all about what the customer is on the hook for and not about what the carrier should be delivering.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Why is it that all these discussions of ETF&#039;s is about? Why carriers started feeling pressure to reduce the cost of early termination? It&#039;s because customers are pissed off and want a way out. And the surest sign of stupidity in this process is that it is possible to exit our current contract and get the new device (on a new contract) for LESS than what they&#039;d charge us for an upgrade on contract. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Lunacy, pure and utter lunacy. And it doesn&#039;t /really/ make AT&amp;T more money, except for the sheep who do as their told and pay more unnecessarily. So all this discussion about &quot;well they have to make money&quot; is moot... by pissing off customers and having loopholes that let customers find cheaper options by work around carriers&#039; processes they only further demonstrate that the actual contract/process needs fixing.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The fun part in all this is that /corporate/ contracts generally bypass all this stupid crap... and through negotiating more sane deals manage to get us affordable upgrades without all this mess. Why carriers find their way to treating consumers like this is beyond me. Smells a lot like healthcare in our country.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These contract discussions always amuse me. You do realize that all these carriers are doing is trying to guarantee themselves a revenue stream. That way they don&#8217;t have to worry about crappy service, treating customers poorly, etc. The contract is all about what the customer is on the hook for and not about what the carrier should be delivering.</p>

<p>Why is it that all these discussions of ETF&#8217;s is about? Why carriers started feeling pressure to reduce the cost of early termination? It&#8217;s because customers are pissed off and want a way out. And the surest sign of stupidity in this process is that it is possible to exit our current contract and get the new device (on a new contract) for LESS than what they&#8217;d charge us for an upgrade on contract. </p>

<p>Lunacy, pure and utter lunacy. And it doesn&#8217;t /really/ make AT&amp;T more money, except for the sheep who do as their told and pay more unnecessarily. So all this discussion about &#8220;well they have to make money&#8221; is moot&#8230; by pissing off customers and having loopholes that let customers find cheaper options by work around carriers&#8217; processes they only further demonstrate that the actual contract/process needs fixing.</p>

<p>The fun part in all this is that /corporate/ contracts generally bypass all this stupid <acronym title="crap">****</acronym>&#8230; and through negotiating more sane deals manage to get us affordable upgrades without all this mess. Why carriers find their way to treating consumers like this is beyond me. Smells a lot like healthcare in our country.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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