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	<title>Comments on: Developer: Serious Doubts About App Store, Does Apple Care?</title>
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		<title>By: stephman</title>
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		<dc:creator>stephman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Rene,
Stop babying and making excuses for Apple&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rene,
Stop babying and making excuses for Apple</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Emc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 23:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ever heard of  &quot; Game Experience
May Change with online play &quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ever heard of  &#8221; Game Experience
May Change with online play &#8220;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Bent24</title>
		<link>http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2009/07/17/developer-doubts-app-store-apple-care/comment-page-1/#comment-63313</link>
		<dc:creator>Bent24</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 19:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I was reading this because at the moment I&#039;m bored out of my mind. I don&#039;t know about apple, but who gives a rat&#039;s ars. This post was BORING!!!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was reading this because at the moment I&#8217;m bored out of my mind. I don&#8217;t know about apple, but who gives a rat&#8217;s ars. This post was BORING!!!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: fassy</title>
		<link>http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2009/07/17/developer-doubts-app-store-apple-care/comment-page-1/#comment-63296</link>
		<dc:creator>fassy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 15:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;if you want to be an apple developer, you know what comes with it.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;No, developers do not know, and that is precisely the problem with iphone development.  As a developer, you can read the SDK agreement, spend months developing your idea in good faith and in compliance with all written rules, and have it rejected at the 11th hour, without being told a how you violated those rules, or, worse, how to fix it.  If you are a large company, you can often get around this.  If you are a small shop or an independent, you are tapping your savings or a second mortgage, have an unsalable product, and still not know why.  How on earth is a developer supposed to &quot;do the same&quot; and weigh their options, when Apple will not tell the developer the rules of the business game they play?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;If it sucks so bad, do something else.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I love my iphone, so that is precisely my worry -- that Apple, in an effort to protect a short-term bottom line, will drive talented developers to the competition.  It happened in the PC market, where Apple kept developers at arms length during the late 1980s and early 1990s.  Microsoft courted developers, and, as soon as Windows became less than a steaming pile of turds, developers flocked to it, in large part because they could do there what they could not with Apple.  Eventually, despite the Mac&#039;s initial superiority, the apps produced by those developers gave Windows such a market edge, and such momentum, that Apple had to throw in the towel and completely reboot their comttuer operations with OSX.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Instead of learning that lesson from their own past, Apple has doubled down on developer restrictions, with arbitrary rules for iphone developers.   I agree wholeheartedly with those that say Apple has the &lt;em&gt;right&lt;/em&gt; to impose such restrictions, but it seems foolishly short-sighted.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As a developer, I want to know the rules before I spend 4 months of my life and risk several hundred thousand dollars of my money.  I will do so for the iphone now only because the alternatives have less appealing technology and small markets for smart applications.  But I will long for a business partnership where I can fairly judge my relationship before I sink my time and money into it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The more developers long for a better partnership, the less the competition has to catch up to Apple for developers to jump ship.  Someday, Android, webOS, BlackberryOS, or even WinMo or Symbian will be less than a steaming pile of turds, too -- Apple&#039;s competition will not screw up forever.  When that day comes, Apple needs to be sure that their best developers &lt;em&gt;want&lt;/em&gt; to develop for the iphone first and foremost.  Rules are fine -- but arbitrary, after-the-fact rules are going to drive developers elsewhere, something that will hurt our phone platform over the long haul.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;if you want to be an apple developer, you know what comes with it.&#8221;</p>

<p>No, developers do not know, and that is precisely the problem with iphone development.  As a developer, you can read the SDK agreement, spend months developing your idea in good faith and in compliance with all written rules, and have it rejected at the 11th hour, without being told a how you violated those rules, or, worse, how to fix it.  If you are a large company, you can often get around this.  If you are a small shop or an independent, you are tapping your savings or a second mortgage, have an unsalable product, and still not know why.  How on earth is a developer supposed to &#8220;do the same&#8221; and weigh their options, when Apple will not tell the developer the rules of the business game they play?</p>

<p>&#8220;If it sucks so bad, do something else.&#8221;</p>

<p>I love my iphone, so that is precisely my worry &#8212; that Apple, in an effort to protect a short-term bottom line, will drive talented developers to the competition.  It happened in the PC market, where Apple kept developers at arms length during the late 1980s and early 1990s.  Microsoft courted developers, and, as soon as Windows became less than a steaming pile of turds, developers flocked to it, in large part because they could do there what they could not with Apple.  Eventually, despite the Mac&#8217;s initial superiority, the apps produced by those developers gave Windows such a market edge, and such momentum, that Apple had to throw in the towel and completely reboot their comttuer operations with OSX.</p>

<p>Instead of learning that lesson from their own past, Apple has doubled down on developer restrictions, with arbitrary rules for iphone developers.   I agree wholeheartedly with those that say Apple has the <em>right</em> to impose such restrictions, but it seems foolishly short-sighted.</p>

<p>As a developer, I want to know the rules before I spend 4 months of my life and risk several hundred thousand dollars of my money.  I will do so for the iphone now only because the alternatives have less appealing technology and small markets for smart applications.  But I will long for a business partnership where I can fairly judge my relationship before I sink my time and money into it.</p>

<p>The more developers long for a better partnership, the less the competition has to catch up to Apple for developers to jump ship.  Someday, Android, webOS, BlackberryOS, or even WinMo or Symbian will be less than a steaming pile of turds, too &#8212; Apple&#8217;s competition will not screw up forever.  When that day comes, Apple needs to be sure that their best developers <em>want</em> to develop for the iphone first and foremost.  Rules are fine &#8212; but arbitrary, after-the-fact rules are going to drive developers elsewhere, something that will hurt our phone platform over the long haul.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 14:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think Apple&#039;s legal dept might be influencing this but Apple does have a track record of taking measures to help families.  The Parental Controls on the Mac and iPhone are awesome.  Perhaps there is more than one motivation at play here?  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Some of you sound like you think the App Store is a something like public entity rather than a private business venture.  It is not like Apple is standing in a public park censoring what people say or do.  It is their show and they can do what they want. If enough people don&#039;t like what is going on, then profits, sales, # of devs, # titles will drop.  So far I don&#039;t see that happening.    Most customers/devs must be quite happy as evidenced with the kids of growth occuring.  Will this 17+ promo code thing affect growth/profits much?  I suspect very, very little, if at all.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Just like HBO has the right to put whatever they want on their channel, Apple has the right to enact restrictions.  It cuts both ways.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I agree that there is a vocal (blogging) minority that is unhappy.  I suspect  the vast majority of customers and devs are happy but less vocal.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As a consumer (I am not a dev) I like what I see.  I came from the Palm world with $20-$40 apps.  Now I pay less.  There are 60000+ titles.  Good.  Apple takes 30% from devs rather than the higher cuts (50-60%?) that were taken in the past by sites like Handango.  Good for growth.  Nearly 100k devs?  Again, good for growth.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I have kids and like them not running into illicit content when young.  Some parents might not care.  I do.  I know I can&#039;t control everything but would not want to.  It is nice to have some help as a parent, though.  We spend a lot on Apple hardware (6 iphones, Touches, iPods to date, plus Macs, plus many apps) and I will continue to buy Apple as long as I like what is going on.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Some of you are unhappy.  This is a business being conducted from the United States.  Apple has freedoms and so do you.  Voice your frustration and then make a choice.  Carry on with Apple or not.  Develop for iPhone or not.  Vote with your dollars, time and effort.  Let&#039;s hear it for free enterprise capitalism.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Apple&#8217;s legal dept might be influencing this but Apple does have a track record of taking measures to help families.  The Parental Controls on the Mac and iPhone are awesome.  Perhaps there is more than one motivation at play here?  </p>

<p>Some of you sound like you think the App Store is a something like public entity rather than a private business venture.  It is not like Apple is standing in a public park censoring what people say or do.  It is their show and they can do what they want. If enough people don&#8217;t like what is going on, then profits, sales, # of devs, # titles will drop.  So far I don&#8217;t see that happening.    Most customers/devs must be quite happy as evidenced with the kids of growth occuring.  Will this 17+ promo code thing affect growth/profits much?  I suspect very, very little, if at all.</p>

<p>Just like HBO has the right to put whatever they want on their channel, Apple has the right to enact restrictions.  It cuts both ways.  </p>

<p>I agree that there is a vocal (blogging) minority that is unhappy.  I suspect  the vast majority of customers and devs are happy but less vocal.</p>

<p>As a consumer (I am not a dev) I like what I see.  I came from the Palm world with $20-$40 apps.  Now I pay less.  There are 60000+ titles.  Good.  Apple takes 30% from devs rather than the higher cuts (50-60%?) that were taken in the past by sites like Handango.  Good for growth.  Nearly 100k devs?  Again, good for growth.  </p>

<p>I have kids and like them not running into illicit content when young.  Some parents might not care.  I do.  I know I can&#8217;t control everything but would not want to.  It is nice to have some help as a parent, though.  We spend a lot on Apple hardware (6 iphones, Touches, iPods to date, plus Macs, plus many apps) and I will continue to buy Apple as long as I like what is going on.  </p>

<p>Some of you are unhappy.  This is a business being conducted from the United States.  Apple has freedoms and so do you.  Voice your frustration and then make a choice.  Carry on with Apple or not.  Develop for iPhone or not.  Vote with your dollars, time and effort.  Let&#8217;s hear it for free enterprise capitalism.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Connada123</title>
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		<dc:creator>Connada123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 13:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think I like both apple and AT&amp;T more than the whinning developers I keep hearing. if you want to be an apple developer, you know what comes with it. If it sucks so bad, do something else. It&#039;s apple&#039;s situation to profit from or mess up, an they have some of the best people in the world running it. I doubt any of us know all their concerns and all the facts. Considering these things, you&#039;d have to conclude that they are the one&#039;s most likely to make the best call for themselves. They are a large business, here to make money over the long term, that&#039;s their only goal, as it should be. They owe that to their stockholders. They only care about making customers and developers happy to the extent that it helps them achieve this goal. With that in mind, some of their calls are going to annoy some, but protect the bottom line. They can&#039;t make everybody happy. They&#039;ve weighed their options, come to this conclusion, and you now get to do the same.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Comparing this to a mall btw, is baseless... This isn&#039;t a mall with utilities, this is the app store, with it&#039;s own set of rules. If you&#039;d rather sell your software in a mall, try it. I think you&#039;d quickly determine the app store is preferable.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I like both apple and AT&amp;T more than the whinning developers I keep hearing. if you want to be an apple developer, you know what comes with it. If it sucks so bad, do something else. It&#8217;s apple&#8217;s situation to profit from or mess up, an they have some of the best people in the world running it. I doubt any of us know all their concerns and all the facts. Considering these things, you&#8217;d have to conclude that they are the one&#8217;s most likely to make the best call for themselves. They are a large business, here to make money over the long term, that&#8217;s their only goal, as it should be. They owe that to their stockholders. They only care about making customers and developers happy to the extent that it helps them achieve this goal. With that in mind, some of their calls are going to annoy some, but protect the bottom line. They can&#8217;t make everybody happy. They&#8217;ve weighed their options, come to this conclusion, and you now get to do the same.</p>

<p>Comparing this to a mall btw, is baseless&#8230; This isn&#8217;t a mall with utilities, this is the app store, with it&#8217;s own set of rules. If you&#8217;d rather sell your software in a mall, try it. I think you&#8217;d quickly determine the app store is preferable.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Miles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 04:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;All of this due to whiney libral parents who think their precious children are too special to see a nipple. Sorry to break it to those people but your children have already seen much worse on tv, at friend&#039;s houses, on the Internet, etc. And the reality of it is they won&#039;t melt away to nothing because of it. Please let your children out of the bubble!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of this due to whiney libral parents who think their precious children are too special to see a nipple. Sorry to break it to those people but your children have already seen much worse on tv, at friend&#8217;s houses, on the Internet, etc. And the reality of it is they won&#8217;t melt away to nothing because of it. Please let your children out of the bubble!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jona</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 23:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;the sooner all this shit moves to the browser the better; apple is just anti-competitive wrapped in cool&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the sooner all this <acronym title="shit">****</acronym> moves to the browser the better; apple is just anti-competitive wrapped in cool</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Sean peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 22:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Here’s the the thing, though: Apple is not only serving developers. They’re being served with lawsuits. And their hyper-vigilant legal departments are no doubt saying — perhaps rightly — that if someone uses a Twitter client that embeds a WebView and happens to see the f-word or a nipple, they’ll sue Apple.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Apple made their bed and they can lie in it. Every other platform in the universe (prior to the advent of the app store) separated app distribution from the sale of the system itself. But Steve had to get his share of the sales... therfore the App Store. It&#039;s time to face up to the fact that the app store model of software distribution is a shitty deal for customers. It inevitably leads to increased prices and decreased choice.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here’s the the thing, though: Apple is not only serving developers. They’re being served with lawsuits. And their hyper-vigilant legal departments are no doubt saying — perhaps rightly — that if someone uses a Twitter client that embeds a WebView and happens to see the f-word or a nipple, they’ll sue Apple.</p>

<p>Apple made their bed and they can lie in it. Every other platform in the universe (prior to the advent of the app store) separated app distribution from the sale of the system itself. But Steve had to get his share of the sales&#8230; therfore the App Store. It&#8217;s time to face up to the fact that the app store model of software distribution is a <acronym title="shitty">******</acronym> deal for customers. It inevitably leads to increased prices and decreased choice.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: icebike</title>
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		<dc:creator>icebike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 21:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;IROC:  Sharing board members does not make it one company.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Come on, guy, you HAVE to know thats total nonsense.  Anybody can be a board member.  Even you if you could find a few million stock holders to vote for you.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IROC:  Sharing board members does not make it one company.</p>

<p>Come on, guy, you HAVE to know thats total nonsense.  Anybody can be a board member.  Even you if you could find a few million stock holders to vote for you.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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